Ink Thickness

balooka · 20 Dec 2017

hi

I have a question most of you can answer without even blinking once. When I line The ink splatters before even hitting the fake skin and almost every start of a line starts with a blob of ink. At first I thought my speed was way too high or I hade the needle out too far but I think it has to do with the ink thickness. I use kuro sumi lining ink.

Is it splattering that much because of the ink or are there other things I might do wrong? I’m lining with a 5rl at 120 cpm which should be about 9 volts.

Thanks

TexasPT · 20 Dec 2017

why should it be 9 volts? I can line at 6v with a 9rl...on another machine I can line at 6.5v...I even have one that will push a 5rl at around 7.

I don't have that problem with kuro sumi ink...I do however run lower voltage than you seem to and i always stabilize my needle. Excessive vibration will make ink spit and sputter.

balooka · 21 Dec 2017

Thanks

I’m sorry for the confusion. The Cheyenne powersupply only displays the cpm and a little chart says that 120 cpm is about 9 volts for a Thunder. Different on another machine ofcourse. If I go lower than the 120 it’s a bit slow for my liking...

I use cartridges and I’m not sure what you mean by stabilizing the needle, I think that is a coil thing or at least a needle bar thning?

I’ll try another cartridge, maybe that’s the problem.

Thank you!

fylfot · 21 Dec 2017

try bending the needle bar more and/ or adding another elastic band and tiny adjustments to your contact screw or tube tip slightly higher or lower.

fylfot · 21 Dec 2017

sorry, didn't know you were using cartridges, I'm not experienced with them.

fylfot · 21 Dec 2017

I use kuri sumi lining ink and a few different lining machines, on one of the machines I get a bit of spray/splatter which shows it's machine related not ink related.

balooka · 21 Dec 2017

Thank you,

I doubt it's the machine as I have run it at 130 CPM with 5RL's before without much or any spray, but this new box of 5RL's seem to splatter a lot. These are original cheyenne cartridges...

TexasPT · 21 Dec 2017

didn't know it was cartridges. could be the batch? Just for grins I'd run lower voltage and see if it helps. you can also hold your machine up to a light background and look at the movement on the needle to see if it has side to side play.

ashley12698 · 21 Dec 2017

I’m new here and have a question about a tattoo that I got about 4 months ago. Please reply so I can ask the question

TexasPT · 21 Dec 2017

ask the question...but if it's about healing a picture would help immensely.

ashley12698 · 21 Dec 2017

TexasPT said:
ask the question...but if it's about healing a picture would help immensely.

I have a white square around my tattoo. It’s like my skin was faded. I can’t figure out how to upload picture but it’s my profile.

TexasPT · 22 Dec 2017

ashley12698 said:
I have a white square around my tattoo. It’s like my skin was faded. I can’t figure out how to upload picture but it’s my profile.

was the flash on when you took the picture...that's what it looks like.

Dazza · 22 Dec 2017

Some time ink splatter is caused from over filling the carts

MalligaMallan · 22 Dec 2017

I have some splatter problems too when using carts. I don't know if it's the ink as I've only used one kind since I started using carts, Nocturnal Super Black.

But for you I'd say, if the only thing you've changed is the ink, and the splatter started when changing to this ink, I figures if the ink is the problem.

It could on the other hand be that due to a different thickness or something else of the ink you get another amount of ink in the tube when dipping? You could try to 1. Dip with machine off if you usually have it on. 2. "Wipe" the tip a little more thoroughly than you usually do, to be sure to not have too much excessive ink in the tube. That usually helps me anyway.

J_money · 22 Dec 2017

balooka said:
hi

I have a question most of you can answer without even blinking once. When I line The ink splatters before even hitting the fake skin and almost every start of a line starts with a blob of ink. At first I thought my speed was way too high or I hade the needle out too far but I think it has to do with the ink thickness. I use kuro sumi lining ink.

Is it splattering that much because of the ink or are there other things I might do wrong? I’m lining with a 5rl at 120 cpm which should be about 9 volts.

Thanks

kuro sumi lining ink is really thin but if it's splattering before it hits the skin it usually means your volts are too high, so just turn it down until it stops if you go that fast on the skin it will cut the skin instead of packing it, but I switched to dynamic I use it for lining/solid black its the best all around black ink and smooth, hope this helps take care -YOSHI-

balooka · 22 Dec 2017

MalligaMallan said:
I have some splatter problems too when using carts. I don't know if it's the ink as I've only used one kind since I started using carts, Nocturnal Super Black.

But for you I'd say, if the only thing you've changed is the ink, and the splatter started when changing to this ink, I figures if the ink is the problem.

It could on the other hand be that due to a different thickness or something else of the ink you get another amount of ink in the tube when dipping? You could try to 1. Dip with machine off if you usually have it on. 2. "Wipe" the tip a little more thoroughly than you usually do, to be sure to not have too much excessive ink in the tube. That usually helps me anyway.

Thanks
It seems it only happens on the cheyenne 5rl that I have. The 7 and 9 Seem to be fine. Maybe a box with some proble haha. I’ll try one more and if it spltters I’ll toss te box. I dip with my machine running btw.

balooka · 22 Dec 2017

J_money said:
kuro sumi lining ink is really thin but if it's splattering before it hits the skin it usually means your volts are too high, so just turn it down until it stops if you go that fast on the skin it will cut the skin instead of packing it, but I switched to dynamic I use it for lining/solid black its the best all around black ink and smooth, hope this helps take care -YOSHI-

Thanks,
I have ordered the dybnamic black and white as it seems to bev awesome. The kuro is indeed thin compared to triple black but I dont like that one at all. I have lowered th volts, or in m case the cpm as I dont see volts. Running it at 110 cpm now which should be around 8v.

ashley12698 · 22 Dec 2017

TexasPT said:
was the flash on when you took the picture...that's what it looks like.

It was on but if you can expand my pic, you can see the square

balooka · 22 Dec 2017

ashley12698 said:
It was on but if you can expand my pic, you can see the square

Did you cover it for a long time with something that has square edges, like a large gauze swab with ointment or something on it?

ashley12698 · 22 Dec 2017

balooka said:
Did you cover it for a long time with something that has square edges, like a large gauze swab with ointment or something on it?

I kept the wrap from the tattoo on for a day because my artist told me to. She said it’s because I had white that I should keep it on longer.

ashley12698 · 22 Dec 2017

balooka said:
Did you cover it for a long time with something that has square edges, like a large gauze swab with ointment or something on it?

Maybe 2 days...

J_money · 22 Dec 2017

balooka said:
Thanks,
I have ordered the dybnamic black and white as it seems to bev awesome. The kuro is indeed thin compared to triple black but I dont like that one at all. I have lowered th volts, or in m case the cpm as I dont see volts. Running it at 110 cpm now which should be around 8v.

yeah dynamic is awesome as far as white and black, it is thinner pigment but it's the perfect balance between thick and thin ,depending on your set up 8v should be good for lining and 80-95cps for color from what I was always taught, after you get use to your machine/skin you'll be able to watch it and tell if it's at the right volts or not, I still have a hard time if I havent tattooed in a while.

MalligaMallan · 22 Dec 2017

balooka said:
Thanks
It seems it only happens on the cheyenne 5rl that I have. The 7 and 9 Seem to be fine. Maybe a box with some proble haha. I’ll try one more and if it spltters I’ll toss te box. I dip with my machine running btw.

Don't toss the box before you ordered a new one to see if same thing happens with that (even if you order another brand)

MalligaMallan · 23 Dec 2017

Forgot to add - did you try doing with machine off? Makes a pretty big difference in amount of ink and at least for me the splattering almost disappears completely. But I still have to wipe with tissue under the tip. But I always do that little wipe.

balooka · 23 Dec 2017

MalligaMallan said:
Forgot to add - did you try doing with machine off? Makes a pretty big difference in amount of ink and at least for me the splattering almost disappears completely. But I still have to wipe with tissue under the tip. But I always do that little wipe.

To be honest, never ever tried that. I’ll give it a go and see what that does. I’ll have to get another footswitch because I use the click on/click off kind and not one that runs when I put my footbon it.

The 5rl carts where from cheyenne but I found an EZ 5rl in another box and that seems to not splatter...

balooka · 23 Dec 2017

J_money said:
yeah dynamic is awesome as far as white and black, it is thinner pigment but it's the perfect balance between thick and thin ,depending on your set up 8v should be good for lining and 80-95cps for color from what I was always taught, after you get use to your machine/skin you'll be able to watch it and tell if it's at the right volts or not, I still have a hard time if I havent tattooed in a while.

Thanks thats the speed. Kinda use now so itmight be the carts or ink splattering. Excited to see what dynamic does now

MalligaMallan · 23 Dec 2017

I use click on click of pedal too but I don't think it's awkward, but I guess it's a matter of preferences. I don't want to have to press the whole time while tattooing. But guess it would be easier when stopping machine to dip

Goldwingdaz · 23 Dec 2017

ashley12698 said:
Maybe 2 days...

there's your answer, the skin being covered for two days with the protection has become saturated from the natural sweat that occurs due to the heat generated by being tattooed, the body will lubricate whilst going red against the pain, what you have done is hold the damp into the skin for a prolonged period, a few hours is more than enough time before removing the covering. you now have to wait for that area to dry naturally to its normal saturation below the top skin layers. the square will disappear then. give a few more days .

Goldwingdaz · 23 Dec 2017

MalligaMallan said:
I use click on click of pedal too but I don't think it's awkward, but I guess it's a matter of preferences. I don't want to have to press the whole time while tattooing. But guess it would be easier when stopping machine to dip

instead of on/off you could just dip faster?

MalligaMallan · 23 Dec 2017

Goldwingdaz said:
instead of on/off you could just dip faster?

I've done that too

I just recently got the on off pedal, before I had to switch the volt button on the ps. Took me ages every time, easier to be as fast as the lightning

ashley12698 · 24 Dec 2017

Goldwingdaz said:
there's your answer, the skin being covered for two days with the protection has become saturated from the natural sweat that occurs due to the heat generated by being tattooed, the body will lubricate whilst going red against the pain, what you have done is hold the damp into the skin for a prolonged period, a few hours is more than enough time before removing the covering. you now have to wait for that area to dry naturally to its normal saturation below the top skin layers. the square will disappear then. give a few more days .

It’s been 4 months...

balooka · 24 Dec 2017

ashley12698 said:
It’s been 4 months...

Seriously?

Did you ask your artist about it? I don’t think it is from the tattoo itself, there is something else going on. Do you have another picture from taken from the back? If someone showed me this image without comment I’d probably think it’s a refletion from a mirror or a glass panel in a door or something.

balooka · 24 Dec 2017

MalligaMallan said:
I've done that too I just recently got the on off pedal, before I had to switch the volt button on the ps. Took me ages every time, easier to be as fast as the lightning

Tried dipping faster but I kept hitting the bottom of the cup...

MalligaMallan · 24 Dec 2017

balooka said:
Tried dipping faster but I kept hitting the bottom of the cup...

Me too

Goldwingdaz · 24 Dec 2017

ashley12698 said:
It’s been 4 months...

ok, another set of possible then, sunburnt skin around the cover not faded fully yet, imagination making you feel the square is still there when its not and its just reflection from the light. and lastly, go to the doctors, get it checked.

BrianG76 · 27 Dec 2017

Only time i have had splatter is when running the machine to fast. I dont know anything about cartridges but they seem a bit expensive to practice on fake skin with. I use Intenze Zuper black and i like it.

Jerry7297 · 27 Dec 2017

Intenze Zuper Black is really thick and not good for most tattoos. Tribals its great. It is BLACK, fake skin I could see how it would be liked.

balooka · 28 Dec 2017

BrianG76 said:
Only time i have had splatter is when running the machine to fast. I dont know anything about cartridges but they seem a bit expensive to practice on fake skin with. I use Intenze Zuper black and i like it.

Thanks, yeah that seems to be the most common thing but in this case I think the 5rl carts have some issues. Opened another box and seems fine for now. Cartridges are more expensive I think, but I re-use on practice skin the ones I am still ‘figuring out’, like the flats and curved mags. In the end the total cost might go up a few dollars, I am not that concerned about it to be honest. The setup time is null.

MalligaMallan · 28 Dec 2017

I'm actually not sure the cost is more with carts. You don't have to buy as many grips as when using traditional needles. Especially when reusing when practicing.

Goldwingdaz · 28 Dec 2017

True Malin.

1 Cart. versus, 1 grommet + 1 needle + 1 tip (higher cost for disposable with grip n tube) + setup time + (most times) elastics

seem to be a good balance to me.

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