Jsmoove1716
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Ive been seeing alot of people lately using a Rs to do line work and it comes out really nice and clean does any body have experience using rs for line work and how did it turn out??
Rs for Linework?
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Would interesting to see some photos. Apart from it being interesting to see, it would also be a way to see what you particularly mean by nice and clean. I'm not trying to be a douche, it's just that people tend to have very varied opinions about what is good work.
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i do it all the time, i prefer them to standard rl's. I find they are easier on the skin and for many thick lines your standard rl can't even get that thick. Also for large rl's you need a very high voltage and hard hitting machine. Think about it like this what's gonna be easier on the skin, 14 needles in a tight circle or 9 needles in a more spaced out circle.
Some downsides are the rs is not always in a consistent shape like rl's. You may find going one direction results in a noticeable skinnier line than another angle. This is just due to the fact the needles arent all bunched up in a clean taper like with rl's.
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14rs & 7 rs
18rs & 9rs
Some downsides are the rs is not always in a consistent shape like rl's. You may find going one direction results in a noticeable skinnier line than another angle. This is just due to the fact the needles arent all bunched up in a clean taper like with rl's.
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14rs & 7 rs
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a rs 9 with the same diameter of a rl14 will require less force to pierce the skin right? ofc a rs9 vs a rl9 is gonna take more force though
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nahh i use regular needles for coils. for rl 14+ would u even call that a taper though? its basically blunt.
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I’ve used a lot of rs’s on myself to line big traditional pieces. But honestly I’m trying to get away from it. The lines look tight when you first do them but as they heal they tend to spread out a little and the edges become a little fuzzy if that makes sense. It’s not horrible looking by any means, but it definitely leaves a more traditional style outline, almost like the tattoo isn’t brand new if that makes sense (which is fine for American Traditional and some Japanese). But if you’re looking to lay lines that look and stay crisp when they heal, I would say use a rl.
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Okay thanks makes alot of sense
FortheloveofallInk
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Hey ya know I was reading about you saying the rs give a more traditional style outline, being blurry. But can I ask you this is it okay in ya'llc opinion that I'm a tight 3 5 7 kinda man? Strictly seeking standard rl.
See it was taught by my dad who's a 30+ year veteran and for reason he has always professed the importance of the use of a small tight liner I his work. Was also taught in a private home studio setting compared to a busy street shop. Respect to thosestablish who do though.
FortheloveofallInk
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Sorry excuse my grammar. They'really typos
Hey, as long as the line gets in, rs/rl doesn’t really matter. The lining with a rs and it being fuzzy is just my experience with them. I’m sure there’s plenty of dudes out there that have a totally different experience with them and love em’.
I assume you mean 3 5 7 rl ? As I always use these tight needles I'm curious as to why he said this?
these lines are done with an 18rs, half a year healed. I'm curious if looks like it has the spread effect u r talking about?
it is going to be really slow and tedious doing traditional work if u only use tiny liners. imagine having to outline the bold lines in an oldschool piece and then filing it in vs just doing it in 1-2 passes with a rs/rl.
generally speaking the larger the needle grouping the easier/more forgiving it is to use as well.
I was always taught to use the thickest grouping the design can allow.
the larger the needle :
the less prone it is to blowouts
vibrations show less
easier to touch it up/second passes
less sensitive/more forgiving
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Yeah it does. See the edges of the lines in a lot of spots where it looks wavy and like it spread out? The arrows on the one line show what I mean.
some sections look pretty crisp though, i guess all i had to do was do what i did for the crisp section but do that everywhere hehe.
imo for a piece that large u would get the same inconsistencies if u built the lines up with a smaller liner as well.
like in theory a built up line will be crisper and retain its a shape longer, but building up lines has plenty of room for mistakes, even more than doing one pass lines, because instead of having to do one line u have to do multiple lines well. it's actually more tedious and time consuming to build the lines up for a traditional piece, which unless u do it perfectly will give u lining imperfections all the same.
imo for a piece that large u would get the same inconsistencies if u built the lines up with a smaller liner as well.
like in theory a built up line will be crisper and retain its a shape longer, but building up lines has plenty of room for mistakes, even more than doing one pass lines, because instead of having to do one line u have to do multiple lines well. it's actually more tedious and time consuming to build the lines up for a traditional piece, which unless u do it perfectly will give u lining imperfections all the same.
Oh yeah for sure. I don’t think it looks bad at all. That’s why I was saying with a large traditional style piece like that it’s fine. I was more just saying that if you’re doing a smaller piece where you have lines in close proximity to one another or you’re doing script or something you might want to stay away from lining with a round shader. But for the hannya mask and traditional Japanese, I think using the 18rs looks good for that style. It gives it the appearance of the line work in an old Japanese irezumi piece and doesn’t look so polished like a tight liner would.
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This is what I‘ve found. RS give me the size I want but I get like you say, “tram lines”.
those tram lines are actually considered aesthetically pleasing to certain artists. they also almost always fill in after healing.
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I've been saying this for years!!!! I use to use rs to line, but after seeing them come back fuzzy and blurred I went back to liners.
i am super curious about how they used to do thick lines the oldschool way. So far the largest liner i can buy is an 18rl/rs, did u guys just make them larger if u wanted to do thicker lines?
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I often use a round shader on a very thick lines.
A tip that I seen some great artists do (who use coils and needles, but not cartridges ) - they take a Round Liner and burn the end with a lighter to the needles 'blossom' - open up. Basically RL magically turns into a RS, but maybe slightly ever so less open than a TS.
RL of course is a harsher on a skin because of pure physics of it- think about that.
Imagine this scenario: What would hurt more: if your gf hits you with a high heel (with an actual pointy heel) on your forehead,
OR if she hit you with the same force but with your shoe that has a wide heel ? So RL is that 'high heel' that you would NOT want to be hit again at the same spot
or you will have a beautiful hall there. But a 'man's' shoe would be way kinder to your forehead
P..S. Do not try at home!
A tip that I seen some great artists do (who use coils and needles, but not cartridges ) - they take a Round Liner and burn the end with a lighter to the needles 'blossom' - open up. Basically RL magically turns into a RS, but maybe slightly ever so less open than a TS.
RL of course is a harsher on a skin because of pure physics of it- think about that.
Imagine this scenario: What would hurt more: if your gf hits you with a high heel (with an actual pointy heel) on your forehead,
OR if she hit you with the same force but with your shoe that has a wide heel ? So RL is that 'high heel' that you would NOT want to be hit again at the same spot
or you will have a beautiful hall there. But a 'man's' shoe would be way kinder to your forehead P..S. Do not try at home!
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