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Hi guys , hope your all good .

I did my first portrait Tatto on myself on Sunday .
I have been practicing on fake skin for a while and really wanted to do one oreal skin so thought would be best to do it on me before anyone else .

I used a cnc q2 and , 3rl , 3rs , 5rs , 9cm and 17 cm all bugpin.

started at 3.30pm and finished at 1.am
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I’m really happy with the Tatto and learned a lot doing it .
The shading in the face is very red , think it because I had the 17 mag running at 8.2 volt , later in the Tatto I moved it down to 7.8 and the skin didn’t go red .
Had a problem with the 5rs every time I put it to the skin it would leak , so a blob would go over the needle , not good for trying to follow lines . I tried lowering volts and letting the needle hang more but was just blobing all the time .

Got a bit painful and my back started to really hurt when I got to 1.am so I’m going to finish it in a few weeks when it’s healed . Go round the outer face and fade black out from it . Add some shading to the hair and tidey up a bit .

I’m really happy with it , I was shitting myself 1 third of the way through just looked like a mess lol but I pushed on and glad I did .

im confident I can do a better job on someone else , be able to get better angle , position and not have to do it upside down :)

yes the face is very red and looks dark but that’s the redness , for the majority of the face I was using 1 drop and 2 drop , so I know it’s coming to look a lot lighter when the skins calmed down.

Any advice or crit would be amazing .

hope your all good :)

S
 

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For a first portrait I think you’ve done a stunning job.

Yes, you will improve and get the blends a bit smoother, and the more aware you become of hitting the right tone first time, the less reddening you’ll see, reducing the risk or overworking.

Using 1 and 2 drop dilutions, even in a small cap, will require quite a lot of building up. However, you have the luxury of refining this piece and ‘’topping up’ if the ink lightens too much. You’ll find it much easier working off ink in the skin, rather than relying on a stencil that could be fading before your eyes; it takes some of the pressure off.

I said before, and based on my experience (and some physics), you will get smoother blends with a faster rather a slower running machine BUT with a shorter stroke. This means that your needle punctures are closer together (higher cps) as you move your machine, but the shorter stroke reduces the speed on impact, which (in some way) converts to the force of the puncture.

You can also mitigate the redness by literally brushing the skin multiple times to build tone.

Anyway, as said at the start…congrats, you have a lot to build on here and I look forward to seeing your progress.
 

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For a first portrait I think you’ve done a stunning job.

Yes, you will improve and get the blends a bit smoother, and the more aware you become of hitting the right tone first time, the less reddening you’ll see, reducing the risk or overworking.

Using 1 and 2 drop dilutions, even in a small cap, will require quite a lot of building up. However, you have the luxury of refining this piece and ‘’topping up’ if the ink lightens too much. You’ll find it much easier working off ink in the skin, rather than relying on a stencil that could be fading before your eyes; it takes some of the pressure off.

I said before, and based on my experience (and some physics), you will get smoother blends with a faster rather a slower running machine BUT with a shorter stroke. This means that your needle punctures are closer together (higher cps) as you move your machine, but the shorter stroke reduces the speed on impact, which (in some way) converts to the force of the puncture.

You can also mitigate the redness by literally brushing the skin multiple times to build tone.

Anyway, as said at the start…congrats, you have a lot to build on here and I look forward to seeing your progress.
Hey Whippet

Thanks for your reply:)

Yea i tried to get the right tone first time , but the really light bits 1 and 2 drops is where i struggled, all learning though :)

Yea towards the end the stencil was fading , had to get the main bits in quick , nearly lost the eye 1 3rd of the way through .

i cant change the stroke on my cnc Q2 , maybey i need to get another machine ?

Also the brushing , if im brushing , the ink wont be getting down to the 1.5 - 2 mm depth so will just fall out ?

Thanks so much for you feedback :)

S
 

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The ink will stay in brushing really lightly, as long as you build up and you can see it. Essentially, when you wipe a tattoo, what you can still see will stick around (on most body parts), even if grey wash becomes lighter.

Yep it’s a learning curve alright, and everyday you find something else you need to master or improve…which is one of the things I love about tattooing.

Although we’re seeing more machines appearing with longer strokes, I think a result in part of the Bishop Wand Liner’s 5mm stroke, there are still a lot of machines shipping with a 3.5mm stroke, not sure what your’s is. Quite a few machines now come with additional cams to allow for some adjustment (Xion offers 3.2 and 3.7 for example). Anyway, you can do a lot with 3.5mm if thats all you have, but I’d personally try and avoid soft shading with the 3.5+ strokes.

I wouldn’t suggest you buy another machine unless you have to. However, on the budget(ish) end of things, the Mast flip (and I think ‘Mast Fold’ now)offers adjustable stroke from 2. Something up to 4mm, and you can change with a simple twist mid tattoo…same as the more expensive Valhalla.

Have you approached any studios in your area or do you have connections? You certainly look like you have the skills to make this work.
 

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The ink will stay in brushing really lightly, as long as you build up and you can see it. Essentially, when you wipe a tattoo, what you can still see will stick around (on most body parts), even if grey wash becomes lighter.

Yep it’s a learning curve alright, and everyday you find something else you need to master or improve…which is one of the things I love about tattooing.

Although we’re seeing more machines appearing with longer strokes, I think a result in part of the Bishop Wand Liner’s 5mm stroke, there are still a lot of machines shipping with a 3.5mm stroke, not sure what your’s is. Quite a few machines now come with additional cams to allow for some adjustment (Xion offers 3.2 and 3.7 for example). Anyway, you can do a lot with 3.5mm if thats all you have, but I’d personally try and avoid soft shading with the 3.5+ strokes.

I wouldn’t suggest you buy another machine unless you have to. However, on the budget(ish) end of things, the Mast flip (and I think ‘Mast Fold’ now)offers adjustable stroke from 2. Something up to 4mm, and you can change with a simple twist mid tattoo…same as the more expensive Valhalla.

Have you approached any studios in your area or do you have connections? You certainly look like you have the skills to make this work.
Hey Whippet
thanks for your reply:)

Ah good to know , i wasn't shore about the light brushing .

I work in 3d animation at the moment and there is always new software to learn , but its always changing . Id prefer to learn tattooing methods that will stay and not get made redundant by piece of software so im enjoying learning this stuff :)

Yea just checked my cnc q2 is a 3.5 stroke . Ill look into a mast flip maybey ? Not long got the cnc but yea if a shorter stroke would be better for shading i should probably go for that .

No still havent approached any local tatto places . Bit nervous about it . I work full time and not shore how that would work out ? I am hoping to do a 3 day course or something like that and just carry on tattooing after work and weekends .

Do you think its possible to be a successful tattooist and not have worked in a shop , aprentership style? Im to old and have to many financial responsibilitys to do an aprentership.
I was hoping id do this course and then just crack on and set up a little home studio .

Thanks for you kind words :)

S
 

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My story is that I started tattooing in 1984, self taught with literally no available resources to learn from. I reached a standard that meant I was getting regular customers (summer at least) and I never really pushed my level beyond that. I did pretty much all trad work and greywash wasn’t much known about, let alone B&G style. I worked from home and even mobile, and did so many things really badly and wrong…I shudder thinking about how much of a textbook scratcher I was. I did this over 12 years.

I took a route into art and design and design education and that was a full 20 years completely away from tattooing.

I came back to tattooing around 2016 and I really had to learn everything again, and so much more. My confidence and sense of responsibility as an older person was a major problem too. I genuinely practised on pig and fake skin for a full year before tattooing real flesh. I also set up a legit home studio and registered with my environmental health. I did a ‘couple of days’ course as a refresher, and that helped me move into B&G, which I’d never done before. My art and design education really helped Though.

My home studio was ok but was really slow, as I wouldn’t let ‘anyone’ into the family home. I persevered slowly and kept practising, almost daily ( I stil practise now). I also watched hundreds (maybe close to 1000) youtube videos, watching then trying stuff out.

The pandemic stopped any chance of tattooing people so I left it for a while then came back post covid and concentrated on putting together a portfolio to hawk around shops. I got one start pre-Christmas but the shop was not busy and maybe there were some other issues. So I kept my eyes open and an ad came up in a very reputable shop in my town and I took my stuff down.


If I’m honest, my flesh portfolio was slim, although I believe I had a handful of strong (pro level) pieces. They seemed really impressed with a lot of my fake pieces too and (I think) they saw some potential. I started there in January and while I’m not fully booked, I have a healthy diary and I’m alreday getting repeat clients. Based on this month’s earnings (its gone up each month) I’m on course to hit average UK wage this year, plus my percentage is going up soon, giving me a real-terms 20% boost on current earnings.

I know I’m not alone in this, but I’ve definitely put the hours in, I’m confident that has been more than an apprentice would in terms of actual study and practise, but I’ve had no official apprenticeship.

My work is visibly improving day-by-day and quickly. I tattoo on flesh every day I’m in, and most days (like today) 3 pieces, 2 yesterday (6 hours)at least 2 tomorrow (5 hours), full day saturday (7 hours) etc.

I know this is a long read (sorry for boring people) but I hope it shows that you can become a tattooer without a formal apprenticeship, though my caveat would be ‘not without putting the study and practise in’. I don’t believe there’s a short cut to breaking into this profession properly. Not saying you cant get to a kind of paid hobby without too much effort, but then it depends on what you want yourself.

BTW I’m in my mid 50s and I’ve left a ‘comfortable’ career in university education to make this career change a real full-time thing. My only regret is not doing it sooner. I still to this day, get a total buzz out of every tattoo I do.
 

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My story is that I started tattooing in 1984, self taught with literally no available resources to learn from. I reached a standard that meant I was getting regular customers (summer at least) and I never really pushed my level beyond that. I did pretty much all trad work and greywash wasn’t much known about, let alone B&G style. I worked from home and even mobile, and did so many things really badly and wrong…I shudder thinking about how much of a textbook scratcher I was. I did this over 12 years.

I took a route into art and design and design education and that was a full 20 years completely away from tattooing.

I came back to tattooing around 2016 and I really had to learn everything again, and so much more. My confidence and sense of responsibility as an older person was a major problem too. I genuinely practised on pig and fake skin for a full year before tattooing real flesh. I also set up a legit home studio and registered with my environmental health. I did a ‘couple of days’ course as a refresher, and that helped me move into B&G, which I’d never done before. My art and design education really helped Though.

My home studio was ok but was really slow, as I wouldn’t let ‘anyone’ into the family home. I persevered slowly and kept practising, almost daily ( I stil practise now). I also watched hundreds (maybe close to 1000) youtube videos, watching then trying stuff out.

The pandemic stopped any chance of tattooing people so I left it for a while then came back post covid and concentrated on putting together a portfolio to hawk around shops. I got one start pre-Christmas but the shop was not busy and maybe there were some other issues. So I kept my eyes open and an ad came up in a very reputable shop in my town and I took my stuff down.


If I’m honest, my flesh portfolio was slim, although I believe I had a handful of strong (pro level) pieces. They seemed really impressed with a lot of my fake pieces too and (I think) they saw some potential. I started there in January and while I’m not fully booked, I have a healthy diary and I’m alreday getting repeat clients. Based on this month’s earnings (its gone up each month) I’m on course to hit average UK wage this year, plus my percentage is going up soon, giving me a real-terms 20% boost on current earnings.

I know I’m not alone in this, but I’ve definitely put the hours in, I’m confident that has been more than an apprentice would in terms of actual study and practise, but I’ve had no official apprenticeship.

My work is visibly improving day-by-day and quickly. I tattoo on flesh every day I’m in, and most days (like today) 3 pieces, 2 yesterday (6 hours)at least 2 tomorrow (5 hours), full day saturday (7 hours) etc.

I know this is a long read (sorry for boring people) but I hope it shows that you can become a tattooer without a formal apprenticeship, though my caveat would be ‘not without putting the study and practise in’. I don’t believe there’s a short cut to breaking into this profession properly. Not saying you cant get to a kind of paid hobby without too much effort, but then it depends on what you want yourself.

BTW I’m in my mid 50s and I’ve left a ‘comfortable’ career in university education to make this career change a real full-time thing. My only regret is not doing it sooner. I still to this day, get a total buzz out of every tattoo I do.
Hey , thanks for that :)
Really interesting read !
So you think you where a scratcher for 12 years ? As in bad like work or just the name scratcher ?

then you came back and do an intensive course on black and grey .
That sound like what I need .

Yea you have put the hours and work in
I don’t think I will do an apprenticeship, I have watched hours and hours of Tatto tutorials and been watching the Lila tutorials .

I might do this three day course just so I know I’m doing it right .
Then set up at home and do it in my spare time .
I’m 42 and sometimes think I’m to old ?

I love tattooing and wish I had started earlier .
All I have been good at is drawing .
Very dislexic so didn’t do good at school .
Managed to get a great job in animation that I’m also good at , I’m just not academic .

But I’d love to become an amazing portrate realistic Tatto artist , that’s my goal :)

thanks for your reply lots to go through !:)
S
 

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In terms of my definition of scratching, I mean in terms that my work practices were not up to sanitary standards, I didn't work in appropriate accommodation, my lining technique was riding the tube, which I now see as inferior and limiting in achieving pro-level work.

People were paying for my work though it was way under shop prices. Looking back, I’m not sure I’d have had customers if I was closer to shop prices. The general standard of work was much lower than it is now, but I was still at the lower end.

BTW the 2-day course I did focussed a lot on coil machine tuning, interesting but not so much use now as I use pen machines, and the B&G element was essentially guidance on a few techniques and mixing grey wash, which I hadn’t done before. I did the vast majority of B&G learning by watching YouTube videos and shed loads of practise on pig and fake skin.

IMO, if you’re motivated and putting the hours in with online material, I’m not sure what a 2-3 day course would provide as a boost, particularly as there’s so much good material readily available (Jono Smith, Tattoo Guy, Ben Fisher, our very own Tattoo 101, maybe some Oliver Ayre etc).

I can understand how getting some feedback on your work might help with your confidence, but it could be money that would help you more in equipment. My thoughts at least.
 

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In terms of my definition of scratching, I mean in terms that my work practices were not up to sanitary standards, I didn't work in appropriate accommodation, my lining technique was riding the tube, which I now see as inferior and limiting in achieving pro-level work.

People were paying for my work though it was way under shop prices. Looking back, I’m not sure I’d have had customers if I was closer to shop prices. The general standard of work was much lower than it is now, but I was still at the lower end.

BTW the 2-day course I did focussed a lot on coil machine tuning, interesting but not so much use now as I use pen machines, and the B&G element was essentially guidance on a few techniques and mixing grey wash, which I hadn’t done before. I did the vast majority of B&G learning by watching YouTube videos and shed loads of practise on pig and fake skin.

IMO, if you’re motivated and putting the hours in with online material, I’m not sure what a 2-3 day course would provide as a boost, particularly as there’s so much good material readily available (Jono Smith, Tattoo Guy, Ben Fisher, our very own Tattoo 101, maybe some Oliver Ayre etc).

I can understand how getting some feedback on your work might help with your confidence, but it could be money that would help you more in equipment. My thoughts at least.
Hey whippet :)

I get ya not working in appropriate place , I’m in my kitchen :/ it’s sanitary and I take great care in making it all very sanitary through out the tattoo .
But yea I get ya , I’m a scratcher :)

yes Maybey that course might be a bit of a waist of money . Could use it towards getting a room organised to set up properly .
Yea there is so much YouTube out there some really good information .
I suppose I’m just always over causios and worry I’m not doing it right and feel if I only had like a day with a Tatto artist and for them to watch me and say , you should do it like this and not like that if you know what I mean .

great information and help there whippet :) :)

Maybey I’ll ask around local shops and see if I could get a day with a Tatto artist but I doubt it :/

thanks for your help really really appreciate it :)

S
 

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